Comments on: The Vettel-Webber backlash: Are Red Bull losing their Fizz? http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/ Formula 1 isn't boring... Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:28:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Zoltan http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-909 Zoltan Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:32:23 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-909 Please Mark take the Number 1 to Lotus! That would be hillarious!!! :D Please Mark take the Number 1 to Lotus! That would be hillarious!!! :D

]]> By: Eddie http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-908 Eddie Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:54:34 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-908 Jesus, Why don't I just answer the question? Sorry dudes, I was venting about Silverstone!!!!! Jesus,

Why don't I just answer the question? Sorry dudes, I was venting about Silverstone!!!!!

]]> By: Eddie http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-907 Eddie Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:52:50 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-907 Why don't you guys just answer the question? Actions speak louder than words. Taking Webber's wing and putting on Vettel's car shows who are calling the shots. The Redbull/Mercedes marketing demographic is why the team are behind Vettel before they are behind Webber. Vettel drives and acts like a spoil brat. If that’s what Redbull and Mercedes marketers want to be associated with then they can keep F1. I am appalled and will not watch the rest of the season. Too much about money and not teamwork and the sport..... Why don't you guys just answer the question?

Actions speak louder than words. Taking Webber's wing and putting on Vettel's car shows who are calling the shots. The Redbull/Mercedes marketing demographic is why the team are behind Vettel before they are behind Webber.

Vettel drives and acts like a spoil brat. If that’s what Redbull and Mercedes marketers want to be associated with then they can keep F1. I am appalled and will not watch the rest of the season. Too much about money and not teamwork and the sport.....

]]> By: scott http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-906 scott Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:17:10 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-906 Vettel was at fault, end of. I am also struggling to think of a time when a team has pointed the finger so viscously at one of their own. Red bull showed their naivety in the aftermath of this event, maybe the fact that Christian Horner is the youngest team boss and the least experienced of the 'big' team bosses played a part here. He nor the team has been in this situation before, I doubt they will make the same mistakes again. I have never liked Helmuts style, and i think some of the red bull politics has shown through previously at Torro Rosso, Scott speed was crap, but I think Tonio got a raw deal, I also think they were brutal with an obvious talent like Bourdais, look what they have done to his career. So until now Red bull as a team hasn't been under real pressure, they are now the hunted as opposed to the hunters last year. That next few races will be very telling, with Mclaren getting faster with two quality drivers whom have both dealt with team and personal controversy. I think this will be a short term image knock for Red bull, they just need to throw a few more parties and knuckle down to some ass whooping performance. I am very dissapointed with Vettel, until now has been the only rapid german driver i have liked. He seemed to show an Alonso like spoilt brat trait in Turkey. I can't wait for the rest of the season, and a drama just like this is a much more welcome issue than some Mosley related crap from the FIA. Vettel was at fault, end of. I am also struggling to think of a time when a team has pointed the finger so viscously at one of their own. Red bull showed their naivety in the aftermath of this event, maybe the fact that Christian Horner is the youngest team boss and the least experienced of the 'big' team bosses played a part here. He nor the team has been in this situation before, I doubt they will make the same mistakes again.

I have never liked Helmuts style, and i think some of the red bull politics has shown through previously at Torro Rosso, Scott speed was crap, but I think Tonio got a raw deal, I also think they were brutal with an obvious talent like Bourdais, look what they have done to his career. So until now Red bull as a team hasn't been under real pressure, they are now the hunted as opposed to the hunters last year.

That next few races will be very telling, with Mclaren getting faster with two quality drivers whom have both dealt with team and personal controversy. I think this will be a short term image knock for Red bull, they just need to throw a few more parties and knuckle down to some ass whooping performance.

I am very dissapointed with Vettel, until now has been the only rapid german driver i have liked. He seemed to show an Alonso like spoilt brat trait in Turkey. I can't wait for the rest of the season, and a drama just like this is a much more welcome issue than some Mosley related crap from the FIA.

]]> By: Etienne http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-905 Etienne Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:10:02 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-905 I was an ardent Red Bull supporter because they seemed like a breath of fresh air in the otherwise cynical world of F1. That is over now. Match-fixing is the ultimate insult to the sports-fan, and match-fixing is what we were treated to. I will continue to support Webber for the grace he has shown under trying circumstances, but other than that I am done with Red Bull. I was an ardent Red Bull supporter because they seemed like a breath of fresh air in the otherwise cynical world of F1. That is over now. Match-fixing is the ultimate insult to the sports-fan, and match-fixing is what we were treated to. I will continue to support Webber for the grace he has shown under trying circumstances, but other than that I am done with Red Bull.

]]> By: Zoltan http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-904 Zoltan Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:52:40 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-904 Vettel turned into Webber, THAT has caused him retiring and THAT cannot be blamed on anybody else but Vettel... Webber didn't move over to give him more space but that wouldn't have resulted in a crash. The sole reason Vettel crashing out is that he turned into Webber... Vettel was probably trying to scare Webber off the line a bit just as he did to Hamilton a couple of laps earlier. And this wasn't the first not the second time he did that either... Vettel turned into Webber, THAT has caused him retiring and THAT cannot be blamed on anybody else but Vettel...
Webber didn't move over to give him more space but that wouldn't have resulted in a crash.
The sole reason Vettel crashing out is that he turned into Webber...

Vettel was probably trying to scare Webber off the line a bit just as he did to Hamilton a couple of laps earlier. And this wasn't the first not the second time he did that either...

]]> By: Zoltan http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-903 Zoltan Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:46:46 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-903 @Graham: Hahaha Brilliant! @Graham: Hahaha Brilliant!

]]> By: Zoltan http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-902 Zoltan Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:43:46 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-902 Could not agree more Adam Could not agree more Adam

]]> By: Ino V http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-901 Ino V Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:13:17 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-901 I haven't got the time to look at all his comments but my impression is that he always maintained the position that both drivers were to blame "because they didn't allow enough room"- I'm happy to be corrected though! His comments were interpreted as blaming Webber because of what Helmut Marko said and because everyone else thought it was clearly Vettel's fault. As I said in my comment above, I do thing that as a pure racing incident it was 100% Vettel's fault but without knowing what was happening within the team, we can't be sure. I haven't got the time to look at all his comments but my impression is that he always maintained the position that both drivers were to blame "because they didn't allow enough room"- I'm happy to be corrected though! His comments were interpreted as blaming Webber because of what Helmut Marko said and because everyone else thought it was clearly Vettel's fault. As I said in my comment above, I do thing that as a pure racing incident it was 100% Vettel's fault but without knowing what was happening within the team, we can't be sure.

]]> By: Ino V http://badgergp.com/2010/06/the-vettel-webber-backlash-are-red-bull-losing-their-fizz/#comment-900 Ino V Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:10:07 +0000 http://www.f1badger.com/?p=18131#comment-900 I completely agree that they could have handled it a lot better, but I'm guessing that it was all a bit crazy at the moment and Horner was probably busy trying to shut Marko up before he turned this into an even bigger mess. Vettel should have apologised and the fact that he didn't tells me that there was some background stuff going on which we don't know about. Maybe, for some reason, he expected Webber to yield. I would hate to see that happening but if Webber had been "told" to do so, didn't refuse and then fought so hard, then he must share the blame, don't you think? I am confused by Vettel's attitude because it's so different to what we are used to- remember Australia 09? I completely agree that they could have handled it a lot better, but I'm guessing that it was all a bit crazy at the moment and Horner was probably busy trying to shut Marko up before he turned this into an even bigger mess.

Vettel should have apologised and the fact that he didn't tells me that there was some background stuff going on which we don't know about. Maybe, for some reason, he expected Webber to yield. I would hate to see that happening but if Webber had been "told" to do so, didn't refuse and then fought so hard, then he must share the blame, don't you think? I am confused by Vettel's attitude because it's so different to what we are used to- remember Australia 09?

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