Sour Grapes or Just Desserts?

by Craig Normansell with others, on Jun 1st, 2011

The Scrutineering Bay is Badger's way of taking a hot Grand Prix racing topic and getting people from the Sett involved to put their opinions across. From predicting races, arguing stewards decisions to just deciding who was/is/will be the best, anything is fair game!

Defeat. Every driver hates it, and although they can't win every race they try their hardest to make sure they finish up as high as possible. Lewis Hamilton is no different, and had every right to feel a little miffed that his afternoon in Monaco wasn't as he planned it to go, but today we're asking;

"Was Lewis right to feel hard done by?"

Back in the firing line today we have myself, Craig Normansell, Jimmy Von Weeks and, at the head of the queue, Adam Millenueve:

Lewis is a racer, I love his 'have-a-go' attitude and the sports needs people like that otherwise it would all be a but dull - "I'm second, well that's better than 3rd so I won't risk going for 1st" does not make for exciting racing. Kobayashi is massively popular - why? Because, like Lewis, he has a go too - brilliant.

He felt hard done by because he was penalised multiple times over the weekend and massively under-performed relative to his own expectations. The Maldonado incident was a result of being frustrated, he should have backed off and it was right to penalise Lewis. As for the Massa one, it's a bit more fifty/fifty - Massa could have not turned in so sharply and I really hope the accident that soon followed wasn't taken into consideration because that wasn't Lewis' fault.

His rant to Lee McKenzie following the Grand Prix, he made a poor joke about why he's feels like he's been singled out, but to be honest, if any other driver had done what Lewis did, they'd be up in front of the stewards too. Kobayashi was for his move on Sutil for example. So, 'No' - Lewis wasn't hard done by - he just had a bad weekend that result in two points whereas he clearly believes it should have been 25.

The opinion from Adam here is that Hamilton had a bad day in the office that was only compounded by a bit of argy-bargy, one being his fault and one not.

Next up is Jimmy:

Looking at the first incident for which he was penalised, Lewis pulls out very late and, as Massa brakes for the hairpin, the McLaren's front right wheel is in line with the Ferrari's rear left. He never comes near actually clearing Massa: the closest he gets is around apex point, when his front right is rubbing up against Massa's sidepod. Half of the McLaren is no longer on the grey stuff whilst Felipe retains the racing line.

Punishable? The Massa incident was very similar to that which Paul di Resta was involved in earlier in the race. Paul was penalised, and that meant that when Lewis pulled his move a precedent had been set; the officials had no choice but to punish him too. I don't think you could call that one harsh given that di Resta was punished.

The Maldonado incident was, in the cold light of day, pretty 50-50. In fact here is some credence to the suggestion that Pastor turns in rather earlier than might have been advisable when you know there's another car alongside you. And he did know: the Venezuelan spent the pit straight moving across the track to block the McLaren.

But at the same time it was a little foolhardy of Hamilton to think Maldonado would leave him enough room, irrespective of whether the Venezuelan actually should have done. A rookie enjoying his best race of the year at a track he loves is never going to equal an easy overtake. A world champion with four and a half seasons in F1 under his belt should know that.

So no, I don't think he has any reason to feel particularly aggrieved. But that's not to say I mind that he does: to steal a quote from this excellent piece by Benson Jamichello, to be a success in F1 'you don't just have to think that you're right… you've got to believe it beyond a shadow of a doubt.'

If this is Lewis' attitude - and I firmly believe it is, just as it was Senna's and still is Schumacher's - it's what makes him the world-class driver he is, the same driver who was being lauded for his brilliant performance just seven days earlier in Spain. And I don't think he should change.

Jimmy makes a good point there; punishments must be consistent. If one driver gets a penalty for a bad overtake, any carbon-copies must get the same treatment.

Lastly, I take to the stand:

The problem with Lewis Hamilton is the thing we all love him for is the thing that gets him into trouble more than anything else; his overtaking prowess. Both incidents he was handed penalties for were for contact in an overtaking move, but both weren't 100% his fault. But, he instigated them, and he really should know better by now. He should not have felt hard done by as he broke the rules in the stewards eyes.

The problem with modern day overtaking is, as Martin Brundle quite rightly put it, "it takes two to tango". His pass on Michael Schumacher was a thing of beauty in the early stages of the race as Michael pushed him hard, and fair, but ultimately knew he was beaten. It was racing at the limit between two drivers who knew what was right and what wasn't. The Massa incident was a bit different. The Brazilian moved to the right slightly to avoid contact with Mark Webber, who had slowed due to a Toro Rosso in front of him. There was a gap, Lewis incorrectly went for it, Massa turned in while momentarily blinded. Contact was inevitable. But Massa should have conceded the position instead of turn straight in. No good came of it whatsoever, so let the faster man by and carry on your own race.

With the Maldonado one, why put your car somewhere where it shouldn't really go? Maldonado, although inexperienced at this level, as a good track record at Monaco and knew Hamilton wasn't going to pass into turn one. But he did, probably as he thought a rookie shouldn't be slowing him down. The problem with Hamilton on this one is he's trying to hard to be his idol Senna - people moved for him, and should move for Lewis too. He should learn to be patient and not, like he did on Sunday, throw his toys out of his pram when things aren't going his way, and that includes in front of the camera too.

So, there we have it. Some differing opinions from a select few Badgers, just like there will be from everyone with an interest in F1. Want to add yours?

Comments and Discussion

TheVillainF1

This isn't just about Lewis, it is about overtaking in F1 in general. I feel that with DRS and KERS it seems stewards expect drivers only to pass while sailing by on a straight line. In this weekend's incidents it was the lead driver's actions that determined whether there'd be contact or not. Schumacher on Hamilton and Rosberg at the hairpin happened cleanly only because the lead drivers gave room and we all called it great passes, Same for Hamilton on Schumacher at St Devote. A guy trying to overtake is almost forced to make a dive for it, especially around Monaco. As long as he is in control of his care while doing so and carries a speed that would allow him to make the corner, he has done his job to do everything he can to avoid contact.
The lead driver then had the decision: I have a guy alongside me (in front, level or even just nose poking by the sidepod, doesn't matter, the car is in that space and won't disappear magically) do I turn in later to avoid contact and see if I can hold him off with better traction out of the corner, or do I turn in hard and have a 99% chance of getting contact. Both Massa and Maldonado must have know that turning in like they did would result in contact, did they then do their job to to everything they can to avoid a colission? Did we think Hill or Schumacher was to blame for the Adelaide 94 incident, after all Hill was not in front of Schumacher when he turned into the apex and hit Hill, so by the warped 2011 logic Hill should have gotten penalized? After all he was still in front so by the 2011 logic he has every right to stick to the racing line as if nobody is beside him?
We should just let these guys race and unless its a blatent move to take someone out, or the overtaking driver is not in control of his car, no penalties should be awarded. It's racing, incidents will happen.

- posted on 1st June 2011 at 5:49 pm
Justin Gagen

You can't overtake around Monaco. End of story.

- posted on 2nd June 2011 at 12:38 am
Adam

I agree, i also think years of no or minimal overtaking has led to an attitude that racing for wins should be set up on a saturday during qualifying, and then you process on sunday to the line, while having a few tit for tat battles in terms of tenths on the stop watch, not proper wheel to wheel racing as we are seeing now, and maybe thats having an influence on some of the negativity Lewis has been receiving. I still think Lewis' incidents were 50/50, perhaps he was at fault in the Massa clash (the hairpin, not Massa's crash in the tunnel) but he was all over the back of Maldonado, especially as Pastor had been weaving all the way down the pit 'straight'. But at the end of the day, we want to see overtaking and we want to see the best 24 drivers on the limit for a GP, it would be the biggest shame to see these new tyres, regs and the most competitive grid in a long time go to waste by stewards forcing drivers to stay on the racing line for 70+ laps. However, no excuse for his post race comments, I understand his frustration, and i would be pretty pissed off if i was him, but professional sportsmen shouldnt be throwing the toys outta the pram.

- posted on 2nd June 2011 at 5:16 am
Alexis

The stewards are just too strict. What ever happened to the black and white flag? Issue that to a driver and then a drive-through the next time.

- posted on 2nd June 2011 at 10:01 am
Pionir

Well said and I agree 100%. The overtaking driver needs to be able to make the corner, be in control, and leave room for the other driver should they try to hang it out around the outside.

The defending driver needs to make sure he leaves enough room once the driver is alongside to avoid an incident. Deliberately driving across Lewis was what caused the accident, not Lewis pulling alongside. Driving people off the road and onto the grass (Schuie vs Hakinnen, Spa 2000 & Schuie vs Alonso Silverstone 2003) is not acceptable too.

Very interesting comparison with Hill btw

- posted on 2nd June 2011 at 1:35 pm
Pionir

Except Schumacher & Hamilton and Button & Alonso demonstrated you can.

- posted on 2nd June 2011 at 1:37 pm

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